#OccupyWallStreet

[Trujillo]

pero el anarquismo no es anti estado, anti jerarquias?

[FaLKoN]

[FaLKoN]

[por ende taxiboy ( I am )]

Bueno, si, obvio que si cualquier cosa es cualquier cosa, entonces nada es nada, y todo vale para todo.
El anarquismo amplio no es anarquismo. O si, pero amplio. JA.
El que cansa sos vos. Siempre sos re amplio. Entonces siempre salis por un costado, porque nada te restringe, nada te es oponible. PEro eso no es amplitud, es nihilismo.
Tu nihilismo autoengañado, porque queres autoconvencerte que sos amplio de miras, cuando en realidad no tenes miras.
No tenes puntos de vista. Tenes puntos de ceguera.

Definiciones y cajitas. Ja de nuevo.
Vos las usas constantemente, como cualquier ser humano, pero sos un puto incoherente drogadicto, porque despues de usarlas, las negas inmediatamente, lo que vuelve todo lo que decis contradictorio, pero no solo eso, IRRELEVANTE.
Ser contradictorio es ir contra la logica, e ir contra la logica (vos sos mas amplio que la logica, triple ja) es desvariar. Delirar. Pavear. Pelotudear.
Y te jactas de eso. Sos re capo por eso. Nop. Y deep down inside, sabe que cada milimetrica palabra que posteo es cierta.

Y capitan langostino, que viene siguiendo todo lo que posteo, pero como tiene su demonio restringido por Jesus y La Virgen Maria no puede postear, que venga y likee todo lo que pongas o lo que ponga cualquiera que me contradiga. Me valida, me da importancia, me ratifica en el ser.

Chem, queres que vea si puedo restringir a TU demonio, Nez?

Slds.

Agjm
voy a hacer una prueba, a ver si estas poseido. Te aviso, a vos y a tus demonios: si volves a postear en este thread, los ataco y ato. A ver si se animan...

[emiii]

que linda respuesta, sinceramente.
yo diria que tanto vos como yo somos contradictorios pero yo al menos intento entender eso con las herramientas que tengo, que me obligan a darle algun sentido, aunque entienda q es provisoro. de todas formas que nuestros discursos apunten para cierto lado tampoco implico nada, vos podrias ser mas profundamente atento a las contradicciones de la vida e insoportablemente falaz en el discurso.

pero si hablamos de política estamos hablando de una práctica que requiere revisar las definiciones y los puntos de vista continuamente evaluando segun la praxis.

Yo llamo anarquista al que conscientemente se opone a la hegemonía del poder. Puede ser una definición que no les guste y en tal caso anulen lo que dije.
Además en el caso particular de los indignados había una consigna recurrente en españa que era "No somos antisistema, sino que queremos ser incluidos en el sistema" en cuyo caso sí no se podría hablar de anarquistas. Pero de todas formas el movimiento tiene características anárquicas en su naturaleza, ausencia de líderes y de consignas muy estables. Me gusta pensar que es una grieta anarquista pero porque soy optimista. Pero igual mientras haya una concentración grande de clase media instruida mezclada con lumpen y minorías el futuro es prometedor.

y en ese sentido no me da todo igual, asi que lo que dice aguijon es falso. prefiero un mundo mas anarquico y esquizoide que uno mas tirano y paranoico.

[emiii]

ah no habia leido el final.
queres tratar de exorcisarme? te doy tres opciones:

1) si se trata de atacar mi forma de pensar, razonar, encontrarle incoherencias o grietas me encantaria que lo hicieras y te invito a generar un thread, mandarme mensajes de rep pms o contactarme por mensajero para no importunar a la gente que quiere enterarse lo q piensa egelforum de los indignados.

2) si se trata de criticar mis habitos de consumo, sin haber antes demostrado aptitud en el item anterior no me interesa, pero igual te invito a tomarte una pepa q podria ser bastante interesante y no se comprobó q produjera ningun daño fisico.

3) para opinar del thread no necesitas pedirme permiso

[por ende taxiboy ( I am )]

No. Exorcizarte tampoco, los laicos no podemos. Pero si podemos rezar contra el demonio, como cualquier persona, e incluso limitarlo bastante en su accionar. Fijate lo que le pasa a Capitan, por ejemplo.

Ahora me pongo y te hago un thread aparte. El pedido de permiso no era para opinar. Pero como te haces el cancherito y me das el ok, avanzo.

Slds.

Agjm
menos mal que existe gente madura como vos.
Not.

[cap.langostino]

Un "chiste" sobre como reacciona la "justicia" ante las protestas y las CAUSAS de las protestas:

[MoaLaiSkirulais]

posta pq no los reparten si hay una celda al pedo ?

[Vicenzo]

PORQUE SON ASI DE INJUSTOSNG

[FaLKoN]

Where Does Occupy Wall Street Go From Here?
By Michael Moore

This past weekend I participated in a four-hour meeting of Occupy Wall Street activists whose job it is to come up with the vision and goals of the movement. It was attended by 40+ people and the discussion was both inspiring and invigorating. Here is what we ended up proposing as the movement's "vision statement" to the General Assembly of Occupy Wall Street:

We Envision: [1] a truly free, democratic, and just society; [2] where we, the people, come together and solve our problems by consensus; [3] where people are encouraged to take personal and collective responsibility and participate in decision making; [4] where we learn to live in harmony and embrace principles of toleration and respect for diversity and the differing views of others; [5] where we secure the civil and human rights of all from violation by tyrannical forces and unjust governments; [6] where political and economic institutions work to benefit all, not just the privileged few; [7] where we provide full and free education to everyone, not merely to get jobs but to grow and flourish as human beings; [8] where we value human needs over monetary gain, to ensure decent standards of living without which effective democracy is impossible; [9] where we work together to protect the global environment to ensure that future generations will have safe and clean air, water and food supplies, and will be able to enjoy the beauty and bounty of nature that past generations have enjoyed.

The next step will be to develop a specific list of goals and demands. As one of the millions of people who are participating in the Occupy Wall Street movement, I would like to respectfully offer my suggestions of what we can all get behind now to wrestle the control of our country out of the hands of the 1% and place it squarely with the 99% majority.

Here is what I will propose to the General Assembly of Occupy Wall Street:

10 Things We Want
A Proposal for Occupy Wall Street
Submitted by Michael Moore

1. Eradicate the Bush tax cuts for the rich and institute new taxes on the wealthiest Americans and on corporations, including a tax on all trading on Wall Street (where they currently pay 0%).

2. Assess a penalty tax on any corporation that moves American jobs to other countries when that company is already making profits in America. Our jobs are the most important national treasure and they cannot be removed from the country simply because someone wants to make more money.

3. Require that all Americans pay the same Social Security tax on all of their earnings (normally, the middle class pays about 6% of their income to Social Security; someone making $1 million a year pays about 0.6% (or 90% less than the average person). This law would simply make the rich pay what everyone else pays.

4. Reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act, placing serious regulations on how business is conducted by Wall Street and the banks.

5. Investigate the Crash of 2008, and bring to justice those who committed any crimes.

6. Reorder our nation's spending priorities (including the ending of all foreign wars and their cost of over $2 billion a week). This will re-open libraries, reinstate band and art and civics classes in our schools, fix our roads and bridges and infrastructure, wire the entire country for 21st century internet, and support scientific research that improves our lives.

7. Join the rest of the free world and create a single-payer, free and universal health care system that covers all Americans all of the time.

8. Immediately reduce carbon emissions that are destroying the planet and discover ways to live without the oil that will be depleted and gone by the end of this century.

9. Require corporations with more than 10,000 employees to restructure their board of directors so that 50% of its members are elected by the company’s workers. We can never have a real democracy as long as most people have no say in what happens at the place they spend most of their time: their job. (For any U.S. businesspeople freaking out at this idea because you think workers can't run a successful company: Germany has a law like this and it has helped to make Germany the world’s leading manufacturing exporter.)

10. We, the people, must pass three constitutional amendments that will go a long way toward fixing the core problems we now have. These include:

a) A constitutional amendment that fixes our broken electoral system by 1) completely removing campaign contributions from the political process; 2) requiring all elections to be publicly financed; 3) moving election day to the weekend to increase voter turnout; 4) making all Americans registered voters at the moment of their birth; 5) banning computerized voting and requiring that all elections take place on paper ballots.

b) A constitutional amendment declaring that corporations are not people and do not have the constitutional rights of citizens. This amendment should also state that the interests of the general public and society must always come before the interests of corporations.

c) A constitutional amendment that will act as a "second bill of rights" as proposed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt: that every American has a human right to employment, to health care, to a free and full education, to breathe clean air, drink clean water and eat safe food, and to be cared for with dignity and respect in their old age.

Let me know what you think. Occupy Wall Street enjoys the support of millions. It is a movement that cannot be stopped. Become part of it by sharing your thoughts with me or online (at OccupyWallSt.org). Get involved in (or start!) your own local Occupy movement. Make some noise. You don't have to pitch a tent in lower Manhattan to be an Occupier. You are one just by saying you are. This movement has no singular leader or spokesperson; every participant is a leader in their neighborhood, their school, their place of work. Each of you is a spokesperson to those whom you encounter. There are no dues to pay, no permission to seek in order to create an action.

We are but ten weeks old, yet we have already changed the national conversation. This is our moment, the one we've been hoping for, waiting for. If it's going to happen it has to happen now. Don't sit this one out. This is the real deal. This is it.

Have a happy Thanksgiving!

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/where-does-occupy-wall-street-go-here

Michael Moore

[VerdiGris]

¿a quien merda le importa los cambios que quieren hacer los yankees...alguno nos beneficia a nosotros...?
NO, todo lo que implica es que los tipos quieren ajustar los engranajes para que su máquina picadora de carne "no americana" siga funcionando tan satisfactoriamente como siempre.
Que se pudran.

[cap.langostino]

Un diputado "euroescéptico" británico canta unas cuantas verdades en el parlamento europeo, lástima que las mezcla con delirios persecutorios de la 2da. guerra mundial:

[Trujillo]

Capitan, vos tenes la version extendida? de onda.

[cap.langostino]

¿Versión extendida de qué?

No entiendo.

Si es del discurso ésa parece ser la versión completa.